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No free version anymore?

Post by Biff » 07 Mar 2018, 13:04

Is FileBot not free anymore?
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Re: No free version anymore?

Post by rednoah » 07 Mar 2018, 14:33

Nothing in life is free.
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Re: No free version anymore?

Post by Biff » 07 Mar 2018, 18:49

Oops, is that what Konfuzius says? I didn't know that. That's a really cool wisdom.

But what does it mean referring to my question?
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Re: No free version anymore?

Post by rednoah » 08 Mar 2018, 01:27

It means that FileBot costs me time and money, and I am now passing on a tiny little bit to each individual user. Actually, since about 3 years ago on Mac, and 1 year ago on Windows. It's not exactly news. :lol:

:idea: Previous versions of FileBot were donation supported, not free per se. Unfortunately, most users assumed that donation supported means free, so now I'm using a simple paid software model.
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Re: No free version anymore?

Post by Biff » 08 Mar 2018, 09:19

Well, alright, OK, of course, I completely understand, why not, that is a good idea, if I had a program I would sell it for very much money as well, I'd never give it for free of course.
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Re: No free version anymore?

Post by jollyroger » 13 May 2018, 20:38

So let me get this right. A paid app that helps you organize your pirated goods... Image

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Re: No free version anymore?

Post by rednoah » 14 May 2018, 05:07

More like an app that saves you time, when renaming files on your computer. ;)
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Re: No free version anymore?

Post by Razorman » 24 May 2018, 01:21

rednoah wrote:
07 Mar 2018, 14:33
Nothing in life is free.
With all due respect, you're wrong. Linux is free, the vast majority of open-source software is free. Maybe you have to pay in terms of time to learn the software, but you have to do the same with paid software as well.

Also FileBot used to be free (for Windows anyway), and now it's not because... you say so? Surely you know how the Internet works, how all your previous versions are still available on SourceForge. Anyone who wants newer versions on Windows will obviously need to buy the Store version, and that's fine. But you're being flippant by saying "nothing in life is free".

The honest thing to do would state that people are free to download a previous version on SF if they want, but if they want newer versions with updated feature and bug fixes, they'll need to buy it. You're just hoping people aren't proactive and won't start doing the research themselves.

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Re: No free version anymore?

Post by rednoah » 24 May 2018, 06:25

Razorman wrote:
24 May 2018, 01:21
With all due respect, you're wrong. Linux is free, the vast majority of open-source software is free. Maybe you have to pay in terms of time to learn the software, but you have to do the same with paid software as well.
Do you think the people working on Linux are not getting paid and are only working on Linux in their spare time on the weekend in addition to their full time jobs? Ask Google. ;) (Pun intended.)

Razorman wrote:
24 May 2018, 01:21
Also FileBot used to be free (for Windows anyway), and now it's not because... you say so?
FaceBook didn't make money and didn't try to make money for the first 10 years. Because Zuckerberg just said so one day? No, it's because Facebook (just as myself) at some point just had to make money to justify all the investments made into development and maintenance of the product.

FileBot has been trying to monetize in one way or another for more than 7 years. Around 2015, I came to the conclusion that a simple paid software model is the only reasonable way forward. The alternative would have been to sunset FileBot and let it wither and die, putting my time and energy into other projects.

e.g. FileBot for Mac went from "barely usable" in 2014 to "works really well" in 2015 because I bought a MacBook and spent a large amount of time to make it work well, so that I could start selling it on the Mac App Store.

Razorman wrote:
24 May 2018, 01:21
Surely you know how the Internet works, how all your previous versions are still available on SourceForge. Anyone who wants newer versions on Windows will obviously need to buy the Store version, and that's fine. But you're being flippant by saying "nothing in life is free".
The previous releases are there because they're there. I can't go back in time and take them back. Those builds predate FileBot becoming paid software. I could remove them from SF, but what would be the point of that? However, I also don't plan on publishing new builds, and so these older builds are completely unsupported and may or may not work in the future as they're not maintained and might break in the future as the internet changes.

Razorman wrote:
24 May 2018, 01:21
The honest thing to do would state that people are free to download a previous version on SF if they want, but if they want newer versions with updated feature and bug fixes, they'll need to buy it. You're just hoping people aren't proactive and won't start doing the research themselves.
That would be dishonest. I will not and cannot recommend using older builds, because they may not work well, and may not work at all in the future. It would seem like bait and switch tactics from a users point of view who starts using a free product which then unexpectedly breaks (which undoubtedly I'd be accused of causing) and is then asked to upgraded to a paid working product.

Razorman wrote:
24 May 2018, 01:21
You're just hoping people aren't proactive and won't start doing the research themselves.
Yes. The target market of FileBot is people for whom time is worth money.




:idea: My official stance is that you need to purchase FileBot if FileBot can be purchased on your particular platform, i.e. Windows 10 and macOS. However, on any other platform were selling FileBot is not feasible for me anyway, be it Windows 7 / Windows Server / Linux / FreeBSD / etc, you can do whatever you want, but you'll be on your own in terms of build and support.

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Re: No free version anymore?

Post by rpgmaker » 13 Jun 2018, 13:48

rednoah wrote:
24 May 2018, 06:25
Razorman wrote:
24 May 2018, 01:21
The honest thing to do would state that people are free to download a previous version on SF if they want, but if they want newer versions with updated feature and bug fixes, they'll need to buy it. You're just hoping people aren't proactive and won't start doing the research themselves.
That would be dishonest. I will not and cannot recommend using older builds, because they may not work well, and may not work at all in the future. It would seem like bait and switch tactics from a users point of view who starts using a free product which then unexpectedly breaks (which undoubtedly I'd be accused of causing) and is then asked to upgraded to a paid working product.
You're being obtuse here. Just posting a link to older versions and clearly stating that they're now unsupported would be the honest way to go. Doing this it's not new, especially in the FLOSS world. I'm sure the kind of users that actually go out of their way to find and use your application would be able to deal with that. You don't realize it but you're on a defensive mindset, this usually happens when projects that used to be (effectively) free start to charge people. Don't get defensive. I say this as someone who donated to the project before it was compulsory.

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Re: No free version anymore?

Post by rednoah » 13 Jun 2018, 16:16

1.
FileBot is $20 on the Windows and Mac App Store. I stand by that. However, lack of commercial support for other platforms is unfortunate. I do feel sorry for Windows 7 and Linux users that want to purchase FileBot but can't. There's no technical reason for that, hence I'm on the defensive there.


2.
I'm actively working on my own traditional licensing system, so that I can offer FileBot (paid) for any and all platforms that can run FileBot. It's necessary for Linux, but it's viable because of Windows 7 users. Let's see how it goes. I'll be a lot happier if I can offer FileBot to everyone, and not just Windows 10 and Mac users.


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I will most certainly not advertise deprecated builds, that are already partially broken, and will completely break in the not so distant future. People using deprecated builds builds just leads to support requests (linked because posted today) and a general waste of time for everyone.

I understand the confusion about older builds being available for free still, but there's reason to keep them around for now for users that otherwise wouldn't be able to use FileBot at all.
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